PSP2023 and its bugs

[Susan Ewart]

I too had PSP randomly shut down.  Making the Christmas designs this would happen. I always thought it was me clicking too many times and too fast and it couldnt keep up, despite having 64 GB of ram and a graphics card with 12GB of ram and a fast CPU ( i7 11700K - whatever that means).  I have also learned to save often.  It shut down and I was able to use the one I found in the Auto-Preserve folder and go from there.  After that happened I saved after every step I did.  Also do any of you have the tmp files saving ALL the time.  Sometimes I go to click or use a tool and I cant and then realize at the bottom, it's saving temp files, like 2-3 of them.  Is there a setting to turn that off?

[Jannette Nieuwboer]

3 hours ago, Rene Marker said:

Sorry to hear this. I firmly believe the quality

Brief aan Gwen en Rene. Als jullie het goed vinden. Ik kom ook mijn steentje bijdragen. PSP is een veelzijdig programma geworden in de loop der tijd. Met veel mogelijkheden die totaal verschillend zijn. Tekst is een apart deel in je programma. (Er zijn heel veel tekstverwerkers die alleen tekst voeren. Sommigen met rekenfunctie.) Ik heb Open Office Writer, een gratis programma. Als je van het ene deel over gaat naar het andere deel wil de '23 nog wel eens down gaan. Bij tekst heb ik het zo opgelost: Ik schrijf mijn tekst in mijn out site source tekst verwerker, en kopieer het en plaats het dan pas in mijn kader, als ik die heb, en anders zo los op het veld. Zo heb je minder kans op problemen. Dus lijm en plak. Op deze manier ga je niet typen in het programma. Ik hoop jullie hiermee geholpen te hebben.

[Cassel]

I remember that 2023 WAS very stable until the last update. I had even mentioned it to Joseph and wanted to send the crashdump so they could investigate but that is when I found out that crashdump is only generated during the beta cycle, and not once it is officially released, so that didn't help.

[Susan Ewart]

31 minutes ago, Cassel said:

I remember that 2023 WAS very stable until the last update. I had even mentioned it to Joseph and wanted to send the crashdump so they could investigate but that is when I found out that crashdump is only generated during the beta cycle, and not once it is officially released, so that didn't help.

That's too bad it's not something that stays embedded and when you have a problem they could give you instructions to send it.  That turns everyone into real world testers that could have made the program that much more robust.  If I was to point fingers, I'd say that once acquired by Alludo, the plans for the company didn't include going forward with a graphics program.    This happened in a company I was in, in the end just under 270 stores were closed.

[Rene Marker]

36 minutes ago, Cassel said:

I remember that 2023 WAS very stable until the last update. I had even mentioned it to Joseph and wanted to send the crashdump so they could investigate but that is when I found out that crashdump is only generated during the beta cycle, and not once it is officially released, so that didn't help.

But I had crash dump files and I definitely didn't use the beta.

[Rene Marker]

41 minutes ago, Jannette Nieuwboer said:

Letter to Gwen and Rene. If you agree. I will also do my bit. PSP has become a versatile program over time. With many possibilities that are completely different. Text is a separate part of your program. (There are a lot of text editors out there. Some with a calculation function.) I have Open Office Writer, a free program. If you switch from one part to the other, the '23 sometimes goes down. With text I solved it like this: I write my text in my out site source text editor, and copy it and then only place it in my frame, if I have one, and otherwise loose on the field. This way you have less chance of problems. So glue and stick. This way you will not type in the program. I hope to have helped you with this.

Sorry to say this didn't work for me. For one, all text came in as one long line and while trying to fix that, it would crash. Every single time.

[Cassel]

15 minutes ago, Rene Marker said:

But I had crash dump files and I definitely didn't use the beta.

That is interesting. The file generated at the time of the crashes, were not the full crashdump.

[Jannette Nieuwboer]

42 minuten geleden zei Cassel:

Dat is interessant

Dit alles doorgelezen te hebben wat iedereen zo ervoer denk ik dat PSP ten onder is gegaan aan het succes dat ze hadden. Hun doel was, een redelijk goedkoop programma op de markt te brengen dat is/was bestemd voor veel doeleinden. Precies wat wij willen. Maar ergens houdt het op en kan het niet verder ontwikkeld worden. Of het kan wel, maar is het te duur voor het handjevol met verslaafden. Ik denk dat we de limiet niet bereikt hebben, maar overschreden.

Er zijn in Europa, legio mensen gestopt met PSP. Waardoor???? (let wel op! niet alleen Nederland maar ook België, Duitsland, Engeland en nog andere Europese landen,) Niet alleen particulieren maar ook lessenmakers, attributensites. enz. Afgelopen week heb ik nog contact gehad met de eigenaar van Essexgirl. Ook zij ervaart de terugloop. Zij heeft wel 800 maskers op haar site staan. Etc. Willen we onze hobby naar tevredenheid houden dan zullen we een editie terug moeten gaan lijkt mij. mijn '23 doet het nu redelijk goed, dus houd ik het nog even aan. Maar blijft het terug keren dan ga ik terug naar de '21.

[Jannette Nieuwboer]

Een nare mededeling: Ik ben niet veel op de site te vinden de komende tijd. Mijn man kan niet meer genezen zo vertelde de doktoren het vanmiddag. Ze kunnen geen verbetering meer verwachten omdat mijn man veel slikproblemen heeft en niet goed meer kan eten en drinken zonder zich ernstig te verslikken en daardoor niet maar kan aansterken. Hij krijgt nog wat middel dik voedsel zoals een klein kommetje met griesmeel pap. Hij heeft 2 weken geleden een buikgriepje gehad en is daardoor teveel verzwakt.

[Corrie Kinkel]

7 hours ago, Rene Marker said:

@gwen jewitt 2023 also shuts down when doing text for me. Only difference is it does it even if I'm not using text wrapping. Probably 90% of the time is if I'm writing large amounts of text (say more than 4 lines) but it has also done it with just a few words. I also at one point thought it might be the font and tried a standard font and it still did it.

So when I know I'm going to have a lot of journaling, I do it in X8 where I don't have a problem.

I also have the problem of the program just shutting down on me even when I'm not using the text tool. I have learned to save often because the auto-save time is often not long enough where I have lost work. 2021 did both of these things for me on my old computer so I was hopeful that when I got this computer and did a new install, it would fix the issues. Sadly, it didn't. Both 2021 and 2023 still have the same problems. I've never had an issue with X8. I probably should just use it all the time since I don't use a lot of the new features of 2023.

I think I'm lucky because my PSP2023 let me type normally my text as long as I don't use the textwrapping and very seldom it shuts down unexpected. When it does, it is due to doing too much too quickly, at least that is what I think it is doing.

[Corrie Kinkel]

2 hours ago, Susan Ewart said:

I too had PSP randomly shut down.  Making the Christmas designs this would happen. I always thought it was me clicking too many times and too fast and it couldnt keep up, despite having 64 GB of ram and a graphics card with 12GB of ram and a fast CPU ( i7 11700K - whatever that means).  I have also learned to save often.  It shut down and I was able to use the one I found in the Auto-Preserve folder and go from there.  After that happened I saved after every step I did.  Also do any of you have the tmp files saving ALL the time.  Sometimes I go to click or use a tool and I cant and then realize at the bottom, it's saving temp files, like 2-3 of them.  Is there a setting to turn that off?

I too learned to save frequently, but I have not observed that temp files are saving all the time and I don't see anything like you said on the bottom of my screen either. So maybe we should have a good look in the settings, often it happens to be something that is on instead off.

[Corrie Kinkel]

10 minutes ago, Jannette Nieuwboer said:

Een nare mededeling: Ik ben niet veel op de site te vinden de komende tijd. Mijn man kan niet meer genezen zo vertelde de doktoren het vanmiddag. Ze kunnen geen verbetering meer verwachten omdat mijn man veel slikproblemen heeft en niet goed meer kan eten en drinken zonder zich ernstig te verslikken en daardoor niet maar kan aansterken. Hij krijgt nog wat middel dik voedsel zoals een klein kommetje met griesmeel pap. Hij heeft 2 weken geleden een buikgriepje gehad en is daardoor teveel verzwakt.

Ach Jannette dat is een triest bericht! Heel veel sterkte de komende tijd. De site is hier als je een keertje wat afleiding nodig hebt, al is het maar om even te lezen wat er allemaal geschreven wordt.

[gwen jewitt]

Jannette, so sorry to hear your sad news about your husband, I hope you can take strength from those around you.

[Mary Solaas]

4 hours ago, Jannette Nieuwboer said:

A bad message: I won't be on the site much in the coming period. My husband can no longer be cured, the doctors told me this afternoon. They can no longer expect any improvement because my husband has a lot of swallowing problems and can no longer eat and drink properly without choking badly and therefore cannot get stronger. He still gets some medium thick food such as a small bowl of semolina porridge. He had a stomach flu 2 weeks ago and has weakened too much because of it.

Prayers for you and your husband.🙏

[Susan Ewart]

8 hours ago, Jannette Nieuwboer said:

A bad message: I won't be on the site much in the coming period. My husband can no longer be cured, the doctors told me this afternoon. They can no longer expect any improvement because my husband has a lot of swallowing problems and can no longer eat and drink properly without choking badly and therefore cannot get stronger. He still gets some medium thick food such as a small bowl of semolina porridge. He had a stomach flu 2 weeks ago and has weakened too much because of it.

I'm so sorry to hear of your sad news Jannette.  Cherish the time you have with your husband.  And try to remember to look after yourself too.  

[Susan Ewart]

8 hours ago, Corrie Kinkel said:

I too learned to save frequently, but I have not observed that temp files are saving all the time and I don't see anything like you said on the bottom of my screen either. So maybe we should have a good look in the settings, often it happens to be something that is on instead off.

I do need to look into it further.  

[Susan Ewart]

8 hours ago, Corrie Kinkel said:

I think I'm lucky because my PSP2023 let me type normally my text as long as I don't use the textwrapping and very seldom it shuts down unexpected. When it does, it is due to doing too much too quickly, at least that is what I think it is doing.

That is what I think is happening with mine.  I can use text as long as i dont wrap it.  

[Rene Marker]

18 hours ago, Corrie Kinkel said:

I think I'm lucky because my PSP2023 let me type normally my text as long as I don't use the textwrapping and very seldom it shuts down unexpected. When it does, it is due to doing too much too quickly, at least that is what I think it is doing.

One of the times it shut down on me, I wasn't working in the program. In fact, I wasn't even on my computer. I had the program open but not working on anything. My doorbell rang so I went to answer the door. When I came back and wanted to start working in PSP, the program was completely closed down.

I swear I have ghosts living in my computer at times that just like messing with me.

[Susan Ewart]

1 hour ago, Rene Marker said:

One of the times it shut down on me, I wasn't working in the program. In fact, I wasn't even on my computer. I had the program open but not working on anything. My doorbell rang so I went to answer the door. When I came back and wanted to start working in PSP, the program was completely closed down.

I swear I have ghosts living in my computer at times that just like messing with me.

I chose the laughing icon only because your last sentence was funny.  Who knows what happens when you aren't around.  I wonder if the endless MS updates are messing with stuff too.  Now my email program spams all the campus emails and I have to go to webmail to get them to send through.  Well, it's spamming at the webmail program, but never did this and all of a sudden (2 months ago) it started doing that after a windows update. I have marked the send (and the doman) in the settings as safe and not to mark as spam and still it goes to spam.  I don't relish hours waiting on the phone waiting to find out how to get it fixed.  

[Cassel]

1 hour ago, Rene Marker said:

I swear I have ghosts living in my computer at times that just like messing with me.

Maybe the Campus gremlins are visiting you just like the Elf on the Shelf!?

[Rene Marker]

41 minutes ago, Susan Ewart said:

I wonder if the endless MS updates are messing with stuff too. 

I've had the latest big MS update sitting on my task bar for about 3 weeks. I was unsure about installing it. When Matt came over to help get my floodlight camera back online after the fiber install I asked him if it was stable enough to install. He looked it up on his phone and said yes. I have another issue I need looked into but he had his son with him so couldn't stay long. He said to start a list and after the first of the year, he'll come back and see what we can do about the small issues. I decided to hold off on the windows update (24H2) install until then after I read somewhere that people had an issue with it and PSP.

[Corrie Kinkel]

42 minutes ago, Rene Marker said:

I've had the latest big MS update sitting on my task bar for about 3 weeks. I was unsure about installing it. When Matt came over to help get my floodlight camera back online after the fiber install I asked him if it was stable enough to install. He looked it up on his phone and said yes. I have another issue I need looked into but he had his son with him so couldn't stay long. He said to start a list and after the first of the year, he'll come back and see what we can do about the small issues. I decided to hold off on the windows update (24H2) install until then after I read somewhere that people had an issue with it and PSP.

Rene I always install the windows updates and almost never had any issue with it. The only time there was something not working properly MS issued another update  to remedy it.

[Rene Marker]

2 hours ago, Corrie Kinkel said:

Rene I always install the windows updates and almost never had any issue with it. The only time there was something not working properly MS issued another update  to remedy it.

I've had problems in the past so I'm always cautious about installing them.

[Daniel Hess]

On 12/20/2024 at 3:57 PM, Jannette Nieuwboer said:

Een nare mededeling: Ik ben niet veel op de site te vinden de komende tijd. Mijn man kan niet meer genezen zo vertelde de doktoren het vanmiddag. Ze kunnen geen verbetering meer verwachten omdat mijn man veel slikproblemen heeft en niet goed meer kan eten en drinken zonder zich ernstig te verslikken en daardoor niet maar kan aansterken. Hij krijgt nog wat middel dik voedsel zoals een klein kommetje met griesmeel pap. Hij heeft 2 weken geleden een buikgriepje gehad en is daardoor teveel verzwakt.

Janette, het spijt me heel erg om te horen over de gezondheidsproblemen van je man en wat jullie allebei gaan doormaken.  Neem het zekere voor het onzekere en houd vol.  We kijken ernaar uit om u te zien wanneer u kunt bezoeken, ook al is het niet zo vaak als de laatste tijd.

[Marie-Claire]

On 12/20/2024 at 10:57 PM, Jannette Nieuwboer said:

Een nare mededeling: Ik ben niet veel op de site te vinden de komende tijd. Mijn man kan niet meer genezen zo vertelde de doktoren het vanmiddag. Ze kunnen geen verbetering meer verwachten omdat mijn man veel slikproblemen heeft en niet goed meer kan eten en drinken zonder zich ernstig te verslikken en daardoor niet maar kan aansterken. Hij krijgt nog wat middel dik voedsel zoals een klein kommetje met griesmeel pap. Hij heeft 2 weken geleden een buikgriepje gehad en is daardoor teveel verzwakt.

Jannette, ik lees jouw bericht vandaag, zo triestig om te lezen 😔, ik wens je heel veel sterkte toe, en zoals Corrie schreef als je wat afleiding nodig hebt of troost zijn hier altijd mensen waarbij je even wat kwijt kan.