Thank you for the tips. I was wondering how to make the layers look farther apart. I did work on 4000 x4000 image for the 12 "spokes" of the wheel. Is doubling the shadow just doing Control-Y? I never thought of gaussian blur. I'm going to try that. I had envisioned it looking deep, but it didnt turn out that way. I tried white shadows but it looked weird and too much opacity in the shadow made the tints start to look like tones (adding grey). I was going to ask how to make it look really far apart, so I can try these ideas. I had an idea of of layout with random sized holes, some offset, some not and only a few layers but really far apart (looking) with only one color ring and the rest of the rings white. I guess I could have just said an abstract image. I'll gvie it a try.