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here is my first try of those frames, not to be complete when you have the shakes, lol, I dont know what wentwrong, perhaps someone might have an explaination, was the 75% supposed to shrink or increase, coz the pic got so small I had to stretch it which wasnt a good idea and went out of focus, They frame was too small so doesnt show to well, and the whole thing was floating about on the page. Guess I should have had a bigger frame to start with, as I never checked the original picture size in the first place, but every time I copied and then reduce, as it didnt seem to increase , it also reduced the original. you have all made a terrific job of it and made it look so easy, well done xx